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PostSubject: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:39 am

[size=85:gg9nqmyo]Sofia echo 15 July 2010

Another Roma ghetto to be demolished



Another Roma ghetto in Bulgaria is facing demolition. Sofia authorities have warned the inhabitants of the Malinova Dolina borough ghetto that they have 30 days (August 15) to clear out or be driven out, Bulgarian television channel bTV said on July 14 2010.

"
The Roma will be evicted by force and their shelters will be flattened,"
bTV said.

The campsite is on a meadow under a bridge that passes over the Sofia Ring Road. It is near to people who live in Berkovitsa, Lom, and Loukovit while the entire area is now full of roaming stray dogs because of the campsite.

Last week, a nine-year-old child was taken to Pirogov hospital in Sofia and is still in critical condition after it was viciously attacked by a pack of stray dogs, which have been associated with the Roma campsite, the report said.

"
What are you doing here, where do you work,"
a bTV reporter asked one of the Roma people at the site.

"
At the rubbish bins"


"
How could you bring a six-month-old child to such squalor?"


"
It will grow up,"
said the Roma, who was not identified in the report.

"
So how do you imagine your life here then?"


"
Just like that."


In April 2010, a Roma ghetto in the Sofia borough of Vrubnitsa was razed as part of a "
spring clean-up operation"
in the capital.

The ghetto, consisting of barracks, sheds and other illegal constructions, is on municipal land. Residents of Vrubnitsa signed a petition in January 2010 demanding that the Roma be expelled from the site. The ghetto was flattened at the cost of 40 000 leva, paid from the public purse.

On January 14 2010, Bourgas municipality ordered a Roma ghetto in the city's Slaveikov borough demolished.

The Roma site, which at the time consisted of about 20 shacks and other "
shelters"
, was near a major railway junction. Bulldozers arrived and flattened the buildings in the perimeter while the Roma were expelled.

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PostSubject: Roma Unrest Reported in Bulgaria's Yambol   Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:58 am

[size=55:3ls4geo3]novinite 16 September 2010

Roma Unrest Reported in Bulgaria's Yambol

The Mayor of the Bulgarian southern city of Yambol, Georgi Slavov, issued an order declaring an emergency situation in the city over Roma unrest.

The order concerns only the area in proximity of the notorious apartment building 20 in the "
Rayna Knyaginya"
district of the city, which is populated by Roma.

The unrest stems from another order of Slavov, mandating the Roma to vacate all apartments inside building 20 by September 16 and to demolish it later.

Some Roma have been seen leaving the premises with their belongings, but there are also reports of vandalism as others have begun tearing down the panel construction.

Meanwhile, the Bulgarian news agency BTA reported a 10-year-old girl was brought to the Yambol hospital Wednesday evening and is listed in critical condition.

The child is in a coma with numerous wounds on her body. She was reportedly injured during the illegal demolition of the apartment building carried out by the Roma.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:03 am

[size=55:18dxmjkr]novinite 16 September 2010

Sarkozy, Take the Roma in Luxembourg!

Nicolas Sarkozy suggested Wednesday that an EU commissioner who criticized France's expulsion of Roma host them in her own country, Luxembourg, senators said.

"
He said he was only applying European regulations, French laws, and France was irreproachable in the matter but that if the Luxembourgers want to take them he had no problem,"
said Senator Bruno Sido of Sarkozy's UMP party, said after lunch with the French president.

A day earlier the EU Justice Commissioner, Viviane Reding, said the European Commission is considering legal action against France over its deportations of Roma, which she called a "
disgrace"
.

Speaking at a news conference on Tuesday, Reding said she would propose legal proceedings by the Commission over France's treatment of the Roma and that a Commission decision would be taken within two weeks.

The case would then go before the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, she said.

"
I am personally convinced that the Commission will have no choice but to initiate infringement proceedings against France,"
Reding said.

"
The role of the Commission as guardian of the treaties is made extremely difficult if we can no longer have confidence in the assurances given by two ministers in a formal meeting,"
she said.

"
This is not a minor offence in a situation of this importance. After 11 years of experience in the Commission, I even go further: this is a disgrace,"
she said.

Recently French Immigration Minister Eric Besson and Minister for Europe Pierre Lellouche briefed Reding on France's handling of the Roma issue.

On Monday the French press published a leaked French official memo suggesting the Roma had been specifically targeted by the authorities.

The memo contradicted assurances to EU officials from Besson and Lellouche that immigrants were being treated on a case-by-case basis.

At the end of last week French Immigration Minister Eric Besson rejected the European Parliament calls to stop his government's controversial Roma-expulsion policy.

The European Parliament urged France to "
immediately"
suspend its controversial Roma-expulsion policy with a resolution approved on Thursday.

EU lawmakers expressed "
deep concern"
for measures "
taken by French authorities and by other (EU) member states authorities"
and urged "
those authorities immediately to suspend all expulsions of Roma."


The European Commission has been accused of failing to protect members of the Roma community deported from France. Euro MPs demand to know if Paris has broken any laws, warning that other countries might take similar action.

Almost 8,300 Romanian and Bulgarian nationals have now been expelled from France since the beginning of the year. Close to 10,000 were expelled in 2009.

French officials have said the deportations are part of a broader crackdown on illegal immigration. Additional chartered flights are scheduled for September 14 and 30.

The crackdown has sparked major criticism at home and abroad. Former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin said Sarkozy's policies had left a "
stain of shame"
on the French flag and were a "
national indignity."


Roma from Romania and Bulgaria are allowed free passage into France if they are European Union citizens. After that, however, they must find work, start studies, or find some other way of becoming established in France or risk deportation.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:30 am

This is sad news I do hope the little girl recovers, I know these people do tend to live in what can only be described as a dump, but they have to live somewhere there are all human just like any of us and its wrong in my opinion that they should be pushed around the world like this its help and education they need
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:08 am

At least in Yambol the Roma tend to be sited in the same area. That way they only really annoy one another. But because there are so many of them there tends to be little communities in some of the other Villages. Block 20 is a disgrace and for once I think Georgi is doing the right thing in pulling it down. It is an utter carbuncle on the land scape and well past any attempts for repair. As for the poor little girl, well what a shame but this incident got reported I wonder how many before this went un-noticed.

But the fact that the Roma are stripping the building is of no surprise as where there is muck there is money.

My biggest fear is where are the Roma going to go, and as we all say not in my back yard.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:41 am

This is a very sad situation and something that Bulgaria doesn't care about I agree with davshaz they are all human and need to live somewhere and be re-educated why is it that people like this are always pushed to one side and treated as a lower form of life
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:50 am

Roma are Roma all the world over. You nor I will see a resolution in our life time nor in our grandchildren s life time. Questions will be raised but never answered.

But all this reminds me of a joke I once heard.

Peter went to the lord and said.
Lord there are 10 Roma at the gates.
The Lord said tell them only 3 can come in.

After a while Peter returned saying.
They have gone Lord.

What the Roma said the Lord.

No said Peter.






The Pearly Gates.

Hope no one takes offence.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:42 am

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Hope no one takes offence. (A Fence)
very droll

I know of the place thats talked about here its just outside Yambol and the last time I seen it I think it was surrounded with about a meter of rubbish and I meen well over knee deep with children playing in it :Headbang:I remember thinking to myself why is this sort of thing allowed to continue? and guess what I still don't know :shocked1:I have read various articles about this sort of thing all over the net and somewhere I did tell of a story about me asking a question to some Bulgarians ie if push came to shove would they save a Gypsy baby or cat from death and the answer shocked me!! it was the cat every time which is very sad but its the way they have been bought up in my opinion and lets be honest the Bulgarian government don't have time for anyone unless they live in a big posh house in Sofia this is just my opinion but one I feel very strongly about and although yes they are Roma/Gypsies they are after all said and done human and should deserve the same care and respect as any of us!! Rant over c

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:35 pm

I must agree with you netsniperthefirst we are all humans after all and should have the same consideration regardless of our background and culture, lets hope things change with the new generation of Bulgarians but somehow I don't think it will? I would think this sort of mentality gets passed from one generation to another unfortunately
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:44 pm

Very sad situation of affairs this is and a child fighting for her life to is there ever going to be an end to this kind of stigma I think wherever you go these people are always seen as lesser than the so called "
Norm"
but who are we to decide ? we are equal no matter where we come from or what we have in our life of we may not agree with how they live but does that mean we are right? NO! you only have to look back in British history to see what a bunch of **** they were and how they destroyed one culture after another so lets all spare a thought for these as people and not something we stepped in.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:46 pm

The little that got injured in this topic. Got injured as a result of her own kind trying to nick the reinforcing bars from the concrete structure. Hence the wall fell down on to her.

According to local sources the local council will not have to do a lot of bulldozing as the gipsy s are going to get as much steel out of the place as they can carry. So it the block will fall over all of its own accord.

In some ways you feel sad that these people become homeless, then on the other hand they steal and beg.

Is there an answer? I think not.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:35 pm

ooer,, a difficult debate, roma, gipsies, travellers, whatever you call them, they dont seem to fit in any socities norms, as in the uk, gipsies are not welcomed, they do devastate the area they live in with rubbish and debris and are not welcomed by the norm living in homes to different standards. who sets the guidelines on how we live. ???? if people do not conform to the norms of the society that they live in, they will never be accepted, but where do they go, is it right or wrong what they do, who makes the judgement on their lives. and who puts it right. no one from what can be seen here, they will just move on and exist elsewhere. problem solved, dont think so.
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PostSubject: Hot Meals for Hard Cases   Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:08 am

[size=55:1c2ebs19]The Economist 16 September 2010

Hot Meals for Hard Cases
Persecuting Romanies won't solve Europe's biggest social problem. Education might



Preaching to outsiders comes naturally to the European Union's leaders. They are comfortable castigating Iran for its abuse of human rights or America for its unequal society. They are less happy when outsiders point to their own shameful social problem: the conditions and treatment of the continent's 10m-plus Romani (or Gypsy) citizens.

On every social index, from income to life expectancy, from illiteracy to health, from criminality to child welfare, the Romanies do worse than any other European group. They are not just poor, but also persecuted. In some countries even allegations of forced sterilisation persist, amid official denials.

Until the European Union expanded eastwards, this was mostly a problem for eastern European countries. But many Romanies have since moved westwards, boosting the numbers of an ethnic group which is rarely welcomed. Rightly or wrongly, locals believe they bring with them dirt, crime, begging and squatter camps at beauty spots.

Some western European governments have a simple solution: deport them. Pioneered by Italy, that approach has now spread to France, which has sent some 8,000 Romani home to Romania and Bulgaria this year, in what it insists are mostly voluntary deportations, aided by cash resettlement grants. The policy is generally popular among voters.

It is also immoral and probably illegal. In July the French government ordered police to clear 300 illegal camps, "
with priority"
to the Roma ones. Imagine a government ordering that lawbreakers be rounded up "
with blacks as a priority"
. The EU's justice commissioner, Viviane Reding, has rightly threatened to take legal action against France, which may lead to large and humiliating fines. It is a sad way to mark the middle of Europe's "
Decade of Roma Inclusion"
.

The plight of Europe's Romanies is grave, but it is not hopeless. Given the opportunity they can thrive just like anyone else. Some are doing well in America. Aspects of their culture, such as purity codes that discourage dealing with outsiders, certainly hamper efforts to improve their lives. But a much bigger problem is the sense of despair and exclusion that makes going to school or seeking work seem a hopeless waste of time.

Reading, writing and Romanies

The place where the EU and member governments can break the cycle is education. Many Romani children attend school patchily if at all. Those figures are static or in some countries worsening: given the demography (Romani families are usually large), improving schooling is a matter of urgent European self-interest as well as of principle.

Integrating Romani children into mainstream education is going to be hard, given a history of humiliation in the classroom. A child who has never used indoor plumbing or seen a book is easily mocked. Many Romani parents believe their children should be earning, not learning. The cost of books and uniforms and the difficulty of getting to class are barriers, too. By the time formal school starts, at six or seven, it may be too late. Integration begins with good nursery education.

But experience in Romania suggests that Romanies can be persuaded to send their children to school, and that governments can help. A first step is to end the discrimination that persists in many countries—such as Slovakia, where 60% of children in special schools are Romani. Hot meals, food vouchers, subsidised shoes and uniforms and even making child-welfare payments conditional on attendance all help. Such measures cost little money. It's not cash that's needed, so much as ingenuity and willingness.

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PostSubject: Roma Tensions Escalate in Bulgaria's Yambol   Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:11 am

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Roma Tensions Escalate in Bulgaria's Yambol

The authorities will begin installing a fence around the notorious apartment building 20 in the "
Rayna Knyaginya"
district of the southern city of Yambol.

The news was reported by the Mayor of the city, Georgi Slavov, who spoke in an interview for the TV channel bTV.

The fence aims at limiting to the maximum access to the dangerous building which could crumble down any moment. The demolition is scheduled for October 15, and the City Hall has already selected, through a public tender, the company that will carry it out.

The deteriorating building was populated by Roma, whо were ordered by the Mayor to vacate it by September 16.

The Roma were evicted Thursday with increased presence of police and firemen, after local authorities declared an emergency situation in the area and а 10-year-old girl was brought to the Yambol hospital Wednesday evening in critical condition. The girl was injured when some Roma, angered by the order, began tearing down the panel construction. 2 people have been arrested in connection with the incident. They have made full confessions.

Despite the eviction, scores of Roma families remain in the area, living in the fields around the building, saying they have nowhere to go and insisting to return inside. They also refuse to send their children to school, demanding social services must first come and see how they live.

The area around the building remains sealed.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:07 pm

This is all very sad no matter how you look at it, just because we don't understand why people want to live like they do doesn't make it wrong it just different from what we are use to but I do hope this gets sorted out and all is calm again, live and let live Angel
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