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PostSubject: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:21 am

Malaysia Airlines said it lost contact with a plane carrying 239 people on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The plane disappeared on March 8, the problem is, with so little directional information to start with (six and a partial seventh ping, transmitted at hourly intervals), are we SURE we are even searching the right ocean? Why have we heard NOTHING from Rolls Royce re the real time engine management monitoring system? If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia? Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.” Only one nation on earth has the technology to remotely block a planes radar and communications if they felt their base was under threat from a terrorist attack. I believe in the coming days or weeks it will be the USA who find evidence that the plane crashed ??? but in fact I believe it was probably shot down.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:53 pm

You may have something there Andy and to add to it there was no satellite detection of an aerial explosion/flash. No terrestrial observation of unusual aerial phenomenon reported. Almost instant disappearance from radar with possible course change. Still no wreckage or associated fuel slick found. No May-Day signal and nothing from the black box beacons. Some on-board mobile phones functioning after disappearance.
I could go on but is the above enough to raise the suspicion of a possible successful hijack? ..... or an attempt to destroy the aircraft at an alternative location where the wreckage would be less likely to be found by diving below the radar and flying into the sea at a point some distance from the 'disappearance-point'? or was it diving into the US base which they intercepted and destroyed?
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:13 pm

Its taken me a bit of time to gather all this information from various places but to summarise it can strongly be argued that the flight was diverted to Diego Garcia Air Base, and the US Air Force was responsible. have a read at what I managed to find and my thoughts about it.

*Captain Zaharie Ahemed Shah - Pilot
- had indicated prior knowledge through comments made to wife and family, had disappeared from family home night before
- related to Malaysian opposition leader, and known 'CIA asset' Anwar Ibrahim . (Ibrahim initially denied being related to Shah, but later retracted the statement and admitted he was related to him through his son-in-law, and had met him numerous times). Political supporter (described by some as 'fanatic')
- the flight simulator at his home, had 'Diego Garcia US Military Base' programmed into it (now seized by the Feds!)
- received a two minute phone call froma woman who had purchased the Sim card with a fake ID (Malaysian Law requires
ALL phone Sim purchases to have Passport or National ID)

* Paul Weeks - passenger
- has indicated possible prior knowledge through comments and actions displayed to his wife
- Mechanical Engineer for Boeing, specialising in Boeing 777's

Passenger list!
26 passengers on flight manifest where top electronic experts (possible military connections) from companies China Telecom, Business Machines Corp, Freestyle Semiconductors (owned by Carlyle Group and Blackwater, International Business Machine (IBM), ZTE Corp, and Huawei Technologies Corp.

Passenger manifest list includes :-
- China Telecom Executive, Hulian Zhang
- ZTE employee, Li Yankin (Engineer)
- Huawei (China based, with military ties) had two employees on manifest. Refuse to indentify them.
- Austin based Freestyle Semiconductors (owned by Carlyle Group (Bush's, Bin Ladens) and Blackwater (Rothschild) had 20 employees on flight manifest (12 Malaysian, 8 Chinese).
5 days prior to disappearance (March 3rd), it had tested 'classified' leading edge computer/internet control software... THIS TECHNOLOGY MAY HAVE BEEN ON BOARD WITH PASSENGERS!
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:56 pm

I'm suspecting the flight was lead off course by radar manipulation by an unknown third party. If the wreckage is discovered 100s miles away from where it's expected, (taking into account tides, currents and weather)... I'd be suspecting foul play
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:07 am

A possible flight path of Flight 370, from where it was last observed on radar in Penang, to Diego Garcia.



If the plane was headed towards Diego Garcia (which is under eight hours of flying time from Kuala Lumpur), it would have been captured on Indonesian radars as well, and it was likely to have crossed over Indonesia. But unlike Malaysia, Indonesia is a defacto Globalist client state, and would immediately cover up such information. Australia also has a sophisticated radar network, but we haven't heard from them either. Apart from radar, there is also other "
live"
data associated with commercial aircraft, which is not being discussed.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:42 am

Given Diego Garcia's strategic importance and its extremely advanced equipment, there is NO chance the US did not track this flight.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:19 am

The 20 Freescale employees, among 239 people on flight MH370, were mostly engineers and other experts working to make the company’s chip facilities in Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice president, global communications and investor relations.

“These were people with a lot of experience and technical background and they were very important people,” Haws said. “It’s definitely a loss for the company.”

Loss of employees on Malaysia flight a blow, U.S. chipmaker says

In Malaysia, Freescale’s modern operations facility that manufactures and tests integrated circuits (IC) is based in Petaling Jaya.

Based on information obtained from Freescale’s website, the facility began operations in 1972 covering an eight hectare site and is specifically designed for the manufacturing and testing of microprocessors, digital signal processors and integrated radio frequency circuits.

It also owns Freescale RF which is involved in creating solutions for Aerospace and Defence listed below.

1. Battlefield communication

2. Avionics

3. HF Radar – Band L- and S-

4. Missile Guidance

5. Electronic Warfare

6. Identification, friend or foe (IFF)

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:32 am

THERE IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CENSORSHIP REGARDING MH370 ESPECIALLY LINKED TO DIEGO GARCIA. Diego Garcia is actually a combined UK-US base. I can understand most of us not knowing that,
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:58 am

I've been watching all the news about this and all possibilities are being discussed, from the Gobi desert and Kazakhstan to Pakistan and Iran. Even though the geopolitics of the Indian subcontinent and the Indochina region has resulted in several nations carefully watching their radars for enemy aircraft on a fulltime basis. Somehow they all seemed to have missed the huge plane flying without a transponder identifying it. There is absolutely no mention of Diego Garcia, except for the Malaysian Transport minister, who claims he has no confirmation yet that it landed at Diego Garcia, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ... go-garcia/ even though his government is looking into “all possibilities.” A Pentagon official claims to believe that the plane crashed into the Andaman Sea, north of Diego Garcia [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ... cean-31811 (But obviously not at Diego Garcia).
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:23 pm

The sea bed in this area is like an underwater Alps, according to oceanographers. In some places it's 4.5km deep with 2.5km high mountains - the kind of terrain that hides its secrets. It's easy to look at all this hi-tech hardware arriving on the scene and to think that it's bound to find something soon. The "
towed pinger locator"
, which is a super-microphone basically, will be listening out for "
pings"
from the black boxes. There's a Royal Navy nuclear submarine there too, listening out. But they had the same kit when they searched for Air France 447, the airliner that crashed into the Atlantic five years ago. They even searched in the right place, but still they didn't hear anything. Why? Both the "
pingers"
failed to work. In the end it was located with sonar mapping and advanced maths. They might get lucky, but they're playing a bad hand. Five years ago searchers knew roughly where the French airliner came down and they still took nearly two years to find it. In this case, they have no idea yet where flight MH370 may have hit the water.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:38 pm

Some interesting comments here but as days go by with no wreckage turning up, the authorities are maintaining their resolute stance. I’m not saying that I believe that MH370 is in Central Asia I am saying that the evidence that MH370 is in the Indian Ocean is very shaky indeed. I’m criticizing not the idea that it’s in the Indian Ocean, but the confident assertion that it must be. Until someone fishes a seat cushion or luggage tag out of the sea, the only way we’re likely to understand more about the fate of MH370 is if Inmarsat and the Malaysian authorities open up the ping data to the public for independent analysis. So far, they’ve been reluctant to lift their veil of secrecy. But if the public—and especially the passengers’ families, who have been told to accept the death of their loved ones on the basis of that secret data alone—demand its release with sufficient force, perhaps they will change their tune.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:29 pm

one thought i've had is lets say the plane did end up at Diego Garcia which is certainly plausable, why would it still be there? For all the cloak and dagger stuff, which in reality does add to the myth, DG is home to some 4000 civilian and service personel and i find it hard to believe in this day and age you could keep the lid on it. One's to presume their is a constant rotation of staff so by now some folks from the facility are back home and away from prying eyes and ears and could have said something in passing on social media that would have been picked up by now? (please bear with me on this)

what if the MH370 did go to DG but was on the ground for the minimal amount of time, just enough time infact to allow disembarkation of person(s) that are of interest to you and likewise cargo, whilst at the same time refueling the plane, this is done day in day out in an hour or under at any international airport you care to mention and if a lot of the standard protocol is not adhered to (also remember you are not taking passengers onto the plan) I would say half hour is more than ample.

plane then leaves DG and your biggest piece of evidence has gone, clearly outside influences have got it there so no reason they then couldn't fly it to one of the most remote stretches of water in the world, ahh lets say approximately 1500 miles off the coast of Perth and "
eliminate it"


I did a bit of research into time differences and sunrises etc and looking at the timeline it seemed feasable that MH370 could have arrived at DG under the cover of darkness, which would also help in the cover up disguise, also ones to presume that "
local workforce"
are used to large aircraft arriving and departing at all hours of the day so who would take any extra notice of such noise when the vast majority would be in bed asleep? it's also worth noticing that as someone who is no more than what might be termed an "
aviation enthusiast"
it seems that unless on high alert the military does most of its work monday - friday 9-5, so again a saturday night into sunday would likely be one of DG's quietest times, although I accept that presuming they were after someone, or something they'd have to be on the correct flight!

just a couple more things (sorry if i'm boring you) but quite a bits been made of the americans making available one of their state of the art P8 Poseidon search planes and basing it at Perth, but when you look at the maps it would be just as easy to launch these missions from DG, especially if they said they'd concentrate on the more northerly search area, one obvious advantage to this imo is you'd have all of the USAF / Navy infastructure around you, including i presume engineers who would be type rated on the aircraft which in the event of the plane encountering any maintenance issues would make it far easier to fix.

finally something thats been bugging me for a couple of days now, going back to the search efforts and the P8, this plane is apparently based at present in Perth together with the Australain and New Zeland planes, there was a story doing the rounds of a reporter from ABC (American broadcast etc) going along on this flight and he made a couple of reports (just audio, no pics) from said mission, he was then interviewed on his return, however in the background it looked to me like small commuter airliners were parked behind him (it was dark and planes were some way away), but lets just say to my eyes it did not look like a military base, that said sometimes these places are half and half so maybe he was sending his report from the civilian section of the airfield (assuming it has one)
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:17 pm

Well there is some very interesting points here and plenty of possible theories, so here's my thoughts on the subject.

From what I have read this is probably what happened in my opinion.

They had two technical experts that were put on the plane with stolen passports to help in the technical department during flight.

Before take-off, the pilot, or someone else in the service crew disabled the cabin oxygen system. (the little masks that drop down)

When they refuelled someone in the fuel department filled the plane’s tanks to the top and wrote it off as a normal fill.

They took off with full tanks.

They climbed to cruse altitude.

When they got to ATC switchover point, the pilot shut off transponders.

He climbed to the highest altitude he could obtain.

He most likely invited the two technical experts to the cockpit. As soon as they got in the cockpit they locked and barricaded the door behind them.

They may have thrown the co-pilot out of the cockpit before the locked the door if he was not in on it.

They dumped the cabin pressure. The mask may have automatically fell down when that happened, but there was no oxygen to be had. The people in the cockpit (pilot, maybe co-pilot and two technical experts) had access to oxygen. The people in the back probably screamed and pounded on the door, but they quickly died.

After they was sure everyone was dead, they dropped down in altitude and re-pressurized.

Once they re-pressurized the two technical experts went back to the back to rip up the floor and get to the engine telemetry equipment. The readings sent to the satellite while they were disabling the system may be totally off the wall. (physically impossible shifts in altitude and speed) The drastic changes are not happening in real life because they are surgically disconnecting wires in the aim of totally disabling the telemetry system while not affecting the engine’s actual operation. The changes in reading is just representing wires being cut and things disabled.

While they was disabling the system they probably initially flew in a direction they were not planning on going to throw off people as to their true destination.

About 5 hours into the flight they finally disabled the engine telemetry system, And that was the point the probably turned the plane to it’s intended destination when they knew it wasn’t going to be squawking. If the place they were going had military radar, or civilian radar over the area that they didn’t want to tip off, then they probably brought a stand in transponder with them. The technical people disconnected the plane’s original transponder and put in the stand in one to give the plane a new identity as far as the radar systems were concerned. The identity they gave is was one of a small private plane that was supposed to be located at one of the small islands. They came in low by the island, and turned on the fake stand in transponder. From that point on, the assumed the identity of that small plane as far as the outside world was concerned. When they left that island and headed for their final destination, they stayed within the flight profile of the plane they were suppose to be. That way the people watching the radars they were going to fly through would not suspect anything unusual. That would allow them to fly right through US, Indian and African radar systems without anyone suspecting a thing. It was just a known flight of a private plane on a regular flight path. The only requirements were…. They could not fly over land until they reached the country they was going to because people on the ground would hear jet engines instead of a small piston engine plane. And they had to land before the sun came up so that satellites and other planes wouldn’t see the real identity of the plane in flight. When the landed, they were rolled into a pre-prepared hanger where the bodies were disposed of and the real work was started.

There were not taking the plane for the people on it, or to use them as hostages. This is something far bigger going on.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:29 pm

I'm just a simple woman and this is what I think.

The planes disappearance was deliberate that appears to be beyond doubt, however I find it unfathomable that someone somewhere has not claimed responsibility or the authorities do not know the motives behind the disappearance of Flight MH370 unless of course they do or it was some underhanded job carried out by the US.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:24 pm

Well, the estimated and approximate last location of the jet based on the engineers' calculations relating to the Inmarsat satellite pings seems to be all they have to go on regarding a search area at this point. If those calculations are off somewhat, or way off, then their searching in that area is pointless. They have to go with what info they have, but maybe they should fly another 777 from Australia out to that exact area where they believe MH370 was when it gave its last ping, and see if the ping from the 777 when it is in that same area gives the exact same sort of ping indications. For all the money they are spending on searching, chartering a 777 for a day and flying it out to the search area from Australia might really be worth the effort. Cross checking the calculated results in whatever way they can seems like a very good idea. I know they have monitored other jet's pings to compare their calculations already, but I suspect they haven't flown a 777 right out to the exact search area to compare satellite ping signals. Besides giving further confirmation to their calculations, it might even help narrow down the search area even further, as the 777 could take note of its exact GPS locations when it pings the satellite from the search area, and further comparisons could be made.

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