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PostSubject: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:40 am

So the majority of the UK doesn't want war but our government seals all our fate. We've been doing it for years and in my opinion, it's only getting worse. Russia seems to be doing more than the US has done in a short period of time. There are many countries all involved. I have a feeling our government just want to get involved so they don't miss out when the oil rich country is taken over and the spoils of War carved out.

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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:48 am

I agree with you Thomas More bombing, more terror, more refugees, more innocent Syrian families murdered. No wonder they hate us. This is not making us safer, this is making us a target. This will not end well. If they had to turn up and fight they wouldn't be so quick in pulling the trigger.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:44 am

I don't think that the civilised World had much choice but to take military action against ISIS where they are strongest. Their increasing strength poses a significant threat of further spread of their barbarity. However, we must not forget how our own political elite helped to create them in the first place as part of their globalist expansion plans, the same power play that saw the destruction of Iraq and Libya and saw so many of our troops killed and maimed in Afghanistan. This is about power and insatiable greed. We must also ask where are the rich Gulf states, with their massive arsenals of western state of the art weaponry, whose front doors ISIS are knocking on? Why are they not helping to secure their own region? this entire situation has been orchestrated by a tiny power crazy elite to enable them to grab more wealth, resources and power. By voting for their establishment lackeys, we have played right into their hands.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:50 am

For all those who didn't want this war, what was the alternative, watch ISIS bomb around the world and destroy millions of people who they believe shouldn't share this world with them ? People have no answers when you ask them this, all they say is we should be negotiating. Can you negotiate with madmen who want take your head first ? Could we negotiate with Hitler ? I think not !
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:54 am

Think about the Syrian people. The majority of the people in Syria are not terrorists they are civilians like you and me (about seventeen million of them). The estimate of ISIS fighters are that there are fifty thousand of them (not even close to the population of one of our small towns). That's 3 possible IS fighters in every 1000 civilians. The chance of civilian casualties is very high. Do people really think that it is justified to kill 997 civilians to kill the 3 possible IS fighters or is this acceptable collateral damage? If you think that 997 is too high then what is acceptable collateral, 900, 500, 100, 20? For me is ZERO
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:05 am

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For all those who didn't want this war, what was the alternative, watch ISIS bomb around the world and destroy millions of people who they believe shouldn't share this world with them ? People have no answers when you ask them this, all they say is we should be negotiating. Can you negotiate with madmen who want take your head first ? Could we negotiate with Hitler ? I think not !

Roadworker, Everybody has the right to a personal opinion. I will ask just one question, if we were all enjoying life to the full and there was no threat of loosing a loved one then suddenly out of the blue there is mass murder orchestrated by ISIS in Paris and Egypt etc and we have lost that loved one or even worse the whole family is wiped out, would we still have the same opinion, I think not

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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:16 am

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For all those who didn't want this war, what was the alternative, watch ISIS bomb around the world and destroy millions of people who they believe shouldn't share this world with them ? People have no answers when you ask them this, all they say is we should be negotiating. Can you negotiate with madmen who want take your head first ? Could we negotiate with Hitler ? I think not !

Roadworker, Everybody has the right to a personal opinion. I will ask just one question, if we were all enjoying life to the full and there was no threat of loosing a loved one then suddenly out of the blue there is mass murder orchestrated by ISIS in Paris and Egypt etc and we have lost that loved one or even worse the whole family is wiped out, would we still have the same opinion, I think not

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Not one politician will give a damn about this region of the world when the oil has run out.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:20 am

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For all those who didn't want this war, what was the alternative, watch ISIS bomb around the world and destroy millions of people who they believe shouldn't share this world with them ? People have no answers when you ask them this, all they say is we should be negotiating. Can you negotiate with madmen who want take your head first ? Could we negotiate with Hitler ? I think not !

Roadworker, Everybody has the right to a personal opinion. I will ask just one question, if we were all enjoying life to the full and there was no threat of loosing a loved one then suddenly out of the blue there is mass murder orchestrated by ISIS in Paris and Egypt etc and we have lost that loved one or even worse the whole family is wiped out, would we still have the same opinion, I think not

Not really sure what your saying or if you have misunderstood me? All I am saying is we have to do this because if we don't then what else can we do? yes there will be losses on all sides but for the greater good.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:29 am

This is a token gesture to appease our 'friends' across the pond. The US and Russia, with their enormous combined military might, do not need our involvement but by making ourselves involved we are very likely to have a surge of terrorism attempts on our own soil in the not-so-distant future and, when it happens, we will have to ask ourselves if this decision to drop a few bombs in a country was really worth all the bloodshed and innocent lost lives. Remember how Vietnam was victorious; ISIS do not pool together in big squadrons waiting to be hit by a lucky airstrike. They are in the cities hiding among the people, they look like anyone else, this war will not be won with bombs raining down from the skies, this is merely fanning the flames of war and killing innocents as collateral thereby giving the ISIS propaganda machine further ammo to further their cause. Either go in there with a combined army of troops and do the job properly, or don't do the job at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:38 am


Not really sure what your saying or if you have misunderstood me? All I am saying is we have to do this because if we don't then what else can we do? yes there will be losses on all sides but for the greater good.[/quote]

No, I haven't misunderstood you Roadworker, I actually congratulated you with a

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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:40 am

It's easy to support war when you're not doing any of the fighting yourself. Anyone who wants war in Syria, enlist now. And let all the MPs who want this war lead from the front.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:09 pm

First they destroy the dictators that bind the region together and whose secret police suppress these IS type maniacs, then they sell out our armed forces, mothball our tanks, give redundancy to our troops, sell and scrap our planes, then look in horror at the monster they have helped create in that part of the world, but want our men and women to liberate these hundreds of heavily armed factions, all in the name of "democracy". Not to mention their sacrifice facilitating the bounty of the usual oil grab and billions in reconstruction contracts paid for by us...sounds like IRAQ ll.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:23 pm

ISIS wont be defeated by bombing raids and missile strikes. To begin with, its not precise or surgical enough. They don't wear uniforms, so we cant identify them. Many people in these countries carry weapons, so how do we identify the bad guys? Secondly, collateral damage is always high when using bombs and missiles, be they guided or free fall. Too many innocent, women and children included, will die at our countries hands. Finally, ISIS isn't an army. Its an ideology, and that's something you cant see. We have launched attacks directly against ISIS in Syria now, and there will be retaliatory attacks by those who align themselves with ISIS and their ideology. Problem is, we wont be fighting them on the beaches. They're already there. We've been letting them in for decades and even now, when the threat is greater than ever, we still keep the door open. Just look at San Bernardino in the US. They were residents of the country. These are very troubling times. Very troubling indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:27 pm

The problem is that ISIS isn't a snake, it's a hydra. Cut off a head and another grows in its place. That is the lesson that the West seems to have failed to learn with its attempt to 'decapitate' al-Qaeda and the Taliban. These organisations rarely need a central influence or uniting force beyond their ideology. Anyone with a moderately good line on murderous rhetoric can become their leading light. The solution? As with the hydra, you have to do enough damage to the monster as a whole so that its ability to regenerate is fatally compromised.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria conflict   Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:36 pm

All I will add is Good Luck Boys & Girls....Keep safe and return back home to your families after your tour........

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