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PostSubject: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:31 pm

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Here is a debate for all us members to voice our opinions. It doesn't matter whether you live in the UK, Bulgaria or even Timbuctoo It should make some interesting reading, and the first thing I would like to ask is "what are the implications involved to UK citizens who live in the UK and have property in Bulgaria"



EU Membership: Reasons For And Against Leaving


There are pros and cons of Britain's membership in the EU. look at some key arguments on both sides of the debate.

There are strong arguments for and against Britain's EU membership

David Cameron has started negotiating a new deal with European Union partners ahead of a referendum on the UK's membership in the bloc.


Here are five of the reasons for and against Britain's membership of the EU.

Reasons To Stay

:: Millions of jobs are linked to our EU membership

As far back as the year 2000, it has been claimed that three million jobs rely directly on our membership of the European Union. The figure was even cited by Nick Clegg during his time as Deputy Prime Minister.

An analysis by Full Fact found that millions of jobs are linked to the EU, but said there is no evidence to show how many would be in jeopardy if we left.

:: Some of Britain's biggest trading partners are in the EU

Some of Britain's largest trading partners - including France and Germany - are in the EU.

More than 50% of our exports go to EU countries, and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up.

:: It's easier than ever for us to work and travel abroad

Around 1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU, and having membership makes movement around the continent incredibly easy. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid in all EU countries.

:: Crime fighting

The European Arrest Warrant cuts out the need for long and complicated extradition procedures and allows criminals to be brought to justice across the EU.

:: Influence in the world

The EU is the world's biggest market and plays a big role in world trade, climate change issues, development projects and more.

It has the clout to take on multinationals such as Google and Microsoft. At the moment Britain plays a key role in the EU, and leaving would see us forgo that.

Reasons To Leave


:: Border control back in our hands

The flip side of the freedom of work and travel for UK citizens is that people from other EU countries are free to travel to and live in Britain.

UKIP leader Nigel Farage says any attempt by the Government to control immigration into the UK is futile as long as we are in the EU.

:: We could make a large membership fee saving

Like most clubs, the EU charges a membership fee, and it has been claimed that the cost is around £55m per day.

Analysis by Full Fact estimates the figure is closer to £24m per day when rebates and other receipts are taken into account.

:: Institutions are seen as lacking democracy

The European Parliament is directly elected, although the powerful Commission which proposes legislation is not.

Because many of these laws supersede legislation made by individual states' parliaments, some see the system as undemocratic.

:: Other countries successfully go it alone

Many Eurosceptics look to rich Norway as a country which trades with the EU without being in it. It also controls its own agriculture and keeps its fish, rather than being bound by EU quotas.

:: Get rid of any threat to Britain's military freedom

There is a push within the ranks of the EU's leaders for it to have its own army.

The president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, said earlier this year that it would help show Russia the EU was serious about defending member values.

In the past the British Government has been forced to block moves to create EU-controlled military forces
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:28 pm

Within just 24 hours of our historic decision to leave the European Union, Germany, the USA and Canada have all affirmed their desire to establish special trade deals with post-Brexit Britain.

US President Barack Obama re-emphasised the important role the UK-US relationship will continue to play, saying that "the special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom is enduring, and the United Kingdom's membership in NATO remains a vital cornerstone of US foreign, security and economic policy".

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters also voiced his desire for New Zealand to "be the first country in the queue for a trade deal with a liberated United Kingdom".

Not a bad first day of freedom.

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:13 am

It appears that we have got ourselves in a right old mess. Already we are being told to move the British Calais border to Dover. I don't think the Kent people who voted remain will be very happy with that. Are we now little fish in a big Ocean I ask
There appears that there is so much in fighting going on with the present government that it surely is going to be a long winding road to find, let alone get stability and common sense to prevail
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:18 am

Holidaymakers unable to exchange money abroad following Brexit vote

10:39 24 June 2016

Jessica Long  


People on holiday in Bulgaria have not been able exchange currency after the pound dropped to a 30-year low following the Brexit vote.

One tourist from Norfolk on holiday in the Balkan country said that British holidaymakers have been unable to exchange pounds for the Bulgarian lev due to volatility in the rate and have even had their British cards refused at the tills.

She said: “Just seen news and holidaymakers can’t exchange money as no rate is known about the pound.

“In shops people are rejecting British people’s cards while the pound exchange rate is stabilised.”

There was a similar story on the Greek island of Kos where the pound couldn’t be exchanged at one holiday resort as the resort did not have an official exchange rate from the central bank.

It comes as the pound dropped to a 30-year low after the majority of Britain voted to the leave the European Union.

Ian Strafford-Taylor, chief executive of currency provider FairFX, said the reaction of the pound to Brexit could signal “longer term volatility”, with holidaymakers “directly impacted”.

He went on: “Those consumers who did not stock up on their holiday money may find their holiday now becomes more expensive this year, if weak pound-euro rates continue into the summer
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:29 am

We are still 10 points above 1.14 which was seen in Feb and Aug of 2014, and a was seen a lot before then. Ok we were in a good recovery and that essentially is what has taken the hit. This was always going to happen with the markets basically gambling on what might happen, but it does not help when the media are trying to cause panic amongst its readership, which is just adding fuel to the fire. We should stand strong and defiant, determined to prosper and as long as there are no ridiculous bold announcements of a mass commercial exodus, this should hopefully turn itself around as we can forget the hysteria, collect our great minds and strive for a better future, regardless of which side of the debate we landed on.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:38 am

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:55 pm

'Traders are frantic this morning as George Osborne's calming words have done nothing to halt the carnage. From Italian banks crashing over 25% to British banks being halted, trading at record lows, to Deutsche Bank extending its Lehman-esque trend.' EU banks are crahing and probably heading for a steep 'hjaircut', and British banks are suffering as a result of the perceptions caused by Osborne's treasonous 'Project Fear'. In spite of this, Britain, still the world's 5th largest economy, will stay strong and get stronger! The EU? Not so much! Don't be misled by the "plummeting pound" panic. Market figures are simply that - numbers on a screen that can be changed at will by those with the power to do so. It's all fake, and it's all an illusion. If the powers-that-be continue to push this into our faces, then it will be time for we, the people to print our own independent currency that's INTEREST-FREE. And let them beware - we're now in a very strong position to do that. We all knew that Brexit was going to affect the markets and currencies, and I personally felt it was worth a couple of bad years, in order to get out of the EU. As for the rest of the fear, we now know that it was hysteria and lies.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:06 pm

The big decision to be taken now is whether we stay in the single market. If we do, we will have to contribute to the EU and accept freedom of movement, those are the red lines for the rest of Europe. If we don't we will have a massive recession that will make 2008/9 look like the golden years. Boris looks to be leaning towards staying in the single market.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:11 pm

Our elected and former governments were signing treaties behind our backs and changing laws to suit what their next intentions were without the consent of the people. Immigration was something that became out of our hands like many things. Our sovereignty was slowly being taken away, Brexiters wasn't all JUST about immigration but the very ability in who decides on such matters which left us open to many problems. While David Cameron had promised to bring back more powers from the EU, he had actually saw a treaty signed November 2014, seeing a massive 43 areas of governance signed over to EU political union only to be fully ratified around March 2017, that meant decisions being made only by the most qualified in EU political union who elect each other' not us electing them. That was on the cards.... Remember, immigration was just one of many of hundreds of problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Immigration and the economy have been the two main concerns of the public for at least the last two general elections. Yet you only need to have focused on the higher of number of non EU immigrants willingly allowed into the UK to know that our politicians in power, including the Brexit crowd, have little or no intent on getting to grips with immigration. Ever since the referendum was announced, I've had the strong suspicion that given the chance, the biggest political con in generations would be played on the British people. Here's hoping I'm wrong, but looking at Boris Johnsons reported claims that he's pro immigration and wants to allow amnesties for huge numbers of illegals, I'm not holding my breath on being so.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:28 pm

Eh, the pound is going down like a lead Zeppelin today
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:02 pm

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Eh, the pound is going down like a lead Zeppelin today

We are on our way to Bulgaria in the morning. 5.30am flight. got some euro this afternoon 1.17eu to £1.00, not nice
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:41 pm

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Eh, the pound is going down like a lead Zeppelin today

We are on our way to Bulgaria in the morning. 5.30am flight. got some euro this afternoon 1.17eu to £1.00, not nice

That's not good Angry I wonder how much more it's going to fall
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:46 pm

I see Boris has bailed out of the running now and left it for Gove?   God help you all if another idiot takes over.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:55 am

Source NOVINITE INSIDER

LEGAL EXPERTS ON BREXIT: THE RISKS FOR BULGARIA
It is now clear - Brexit will affect the lives and businesses of many people not only in Britain but also in countries of the European Union. Bulgaria is among the countries that could be defined as vulnerable - because of the significant number of companies that include structures in the UK, and because many Bulgarians in recent years have chosen to live, study and work there.

Following the Brexit vote on June 23, for people whose businesses and personal affairs tie them to Britain, a number of questions arise as to the practical and legal implications. A team of law firm New Balkans Law Office - with offices in Sofia and London, with lawyers qualified in two jurisdictions - presented today to members of Bulgarian business and public organizations their expert comments on these issues.

One of the alarming questions now is what are the implications of Brexit trade amid the shock experienced by the British economy. Confidence among British businesses sharply declined after the vote to leave the European Union, shows a study cited by Reuters and the Bulgarian News Agency and published today in support of the view that the economy may be facing tough times after the historic decision.

The share of companies pessimistic about the British economy over the next 12 months jumped to 49 percent in the week after the referendum compared to 25 percent before the outcome of the vote, according to the study of YouGov and the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR). Confidence among British consumers also dropped sharply during the first days after the country decided to leave the EU, reported earlier YouGov and the Centre for Economics and Business Research.

Trade between Bulgaria and Britain was EUR 250 M in 2015, according to the Ministry of Economy. However, there are risks in services, finance, the situation of companies in the UK, said Kamen Shoylev, a partner at New Balkans Law Office. Currently Bulgaria and Britain are members of a common market, not just a customs union. With the withdrawal of London from the EU, this will change and will adversely affect the business through a number of tariff and non-tariff barriers.

Tariff ones include the charging of duties and likely payment of VAT in certain cases of imports or exports. According to the expert, the problem with duties may be overcome in four ways - signing of an Association Agreement between Britain and the EU; application of the Swiss model, which means negotiating a special status for Britain in the EU; London to become a member of the European Free Trade Association and thus to get trade concessions. Last option - as a member of the World Trade Organization, Britain can apply its rules.

Tariff ones include the charging of duties and likely payment of VAT in certain cases of imports or exports. According to the expert, the problem with duties may be overcome in four ways - signing of an Association Agreement between Britain and the EU; application of the Swiss model, which means negotiating a special status for Britain in the EU; London to become a member of the European Free Trade Association and thus to get trade concessions. Last option - as a member of the World Trade Organization, Britain can apply its rules.

Shoylev argues it is non-tariff barriers that can have a more serious impact on Bulgarian businesses. Bulgaria uses a lot of British experience and expertise in financial, consulting and legal services, and they will be influenced largely by non-tariff barriers. In the financial sphere for example, passporting will be lost which enables one that has registered in a EU counttry to work in all others, the legal expert explaines. This may affect companies from the sectors of electronic payments between Bulgaria and the UK, and some companies in the field of gambling. According to Shoylev after 6 months to 1 year there will be more clarity on these risks.

There will certainly be implications for corporations that include structures in the UK, even though they will not be immediately adn directly affected by the event of Brexit. There are three potential negative effects, Shoylev explains:

- It will be more difficult to apply British law in solving disputes;
- The participation in public procurement will be hampered;
- There is a risk for Britain to increase a number of its taxes, since upon its move to leave the EU the budget will undergo some hardship.

The expert still reassured the business community, explaining that Bulgaria will remain a member of the EU and it will apply Brussels Regulation determining the applicable law. So if the contract specified English applicable law, this will be accepted by Bulgarian courts. In British courts there is the practice of applying the agreed applicable law, explained Shoylev.

It is possible for disputes to become more unpredictable, the experts says. But when there is an agreed contract law, practice will continue. In the Bulgarian courts, however, the procedure that will apply will be the one for recognition of the decision of the English Court.

The advice of experts is that if you want a quick and uncomplicated solution to the dispute, you should choose an arbitration clause.

The law firm has also made the clarification in regard to the implications in the field of labor law and immigration (both ways). This is very important, considering that 3 million European citizens live in Britan and 1.2 million Britons reside in EU countries. In Bulgaria, in particular, there are 5000 Brits. Bulgarians in the UK, however, are over 77 000. Brexit will change the lives of these people.

The most likely result will be that the free movement principle will remain unchanged, but it will happen under conditions of registration, as in Switzerland, according to the lawyers.

The advice of experts to Bulgarians living in the UK is to trigger as fast as possible the procedure for acquiring citizenship and permanent residence. In the first case they must have been resident in the UK for six years, and the second one the minimum period is 5 years. If their stay is shorter, you have to rely on their status to be settled by future agreements, said Kamen Shoylev.

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:06 am

Hi Berni
Interesting read T
aimed at businesses mainly, and again to a certain extent,speculation,so I am staying with my opinion, as and when they actually make a decision and it actually starts to concern / effect me, I will decide what my future is and deal with it.
It will be sometime yet before anything significant comes into force, so going about my normal daily life until such time I have to jump through more hoops

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